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		<title>By: shawn k. jain</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawn k. jain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yaman, i fucking love you.  your writing abilities are mind boggling.  i look forward to more now that you have more time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yaman, i fucking love you.  your writing abilities are mind boggling.  i look forward to more now that you have more time!</p>
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		<title>By: seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said &quot;white people in America&quot; as opposed to people of any color  anywhere else who don&#039;t live in a country that was built, from the ground up, on racism.  Racism is our predominant cultural heritage.  Without it we never would have become a nation to the extent that we were able back in the era of the plantation, both Antebellum and Jim Crowe.  My point is that we&#039;ve never actually dealt with that fact, regardless of what we like to think the &quot;Civil Rights Movement&quot; accomplished.

How do you deal with the fact that the majority of US prisons have been built since that movement, and that most of the inhabitants of said prisons are people of color, and that their rate of inprisonment is astronomically higher than those for people whose asses are white like yours and mine?  How do you deal with the fact that people of color are refused financial loans at astronomically higher rates than people of color?  How do you deal with racial profiling?  How do you deal with the top-down moves to undo Affirmative Action thorughout the country, while white enrollment rates at universities are increasing in proportion to those of black students simultaneously?

Racism depends on white privilege.  Without the privilege, there would be no point.  

In this case, you&#039;re proving my point by way of illustration, for which I thank you.  The first real step in doing anti-racist work for a white person in America is acknowledging and coming to terms with the structural privileges you have by virtue of having been born white.  If you can&#039;t do that, you&#039;re can&#039;t so much as see the root of the problem of racism.

And come on, how can you take yourself seriously with that &quot;anti-racism and multiculturalism as far as the eye can see&quot; bit in the context of anti-Arab and anti-Muslim sentiments that have gained so much traction since 911, and the anti-Latino sentiments that you see all over the place in mainstream politics and mainstream press in the context of the so-called &quot;immigration&quot; debate?  Or are you just not paying attention to that part?

I&#039;m sorry that you&#039;re &quot;deathly afraid.&quot;  But the fact of the matter is that dealing with the racism that inevitably results from having been socialized in a racist environment is difficult and uncomfortable.  Maybe for you that fear is the first step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said &#8220;white people in America&#8221; as opposed to people of any color  anywhere else who don&#8217;t live in a country that was built, from the ground up, on racism.  Racism is our predominant cultural heritage.  Without it we never would have become a nation to the extent that we were able back in the era of the plantation, both Antebellum and Jim Crowe.  My point is that we&#8217;ve never actually dealt with that fact, regardless of what we like to think the &#8220;Civil Rights Movement&#8221; accomplished.</p>
<p>How do you deal with the fact that the majority of US prisons have been built since that movement, and that most of the inhabitants of said prisons are people of color, and that their rate of inprisonment is astronomically higher than those for people whose asses are white like yours and mine?  How do you deal with the fact that people of color are refused financial loans at astronomically higher rates than people of color?  How do you deal with racial profiling?  How do you deal with the top-down moves to undo Affirmative Action thorughout the country, while white enrollment rates at universities are increasing in proportion to those of black students simultaneously?</p>
<p>Racism depends on white privilege.  Without the privilege, there would be no point.  </p>
<p>In this case, you&#8217;re proving my point by way of illustration, for which I thank you.  The first real step in doing anti-racist work for a white person in America is acknowledging and coming to terms with the structural privileges you have by virtue of having been born white.  If you can&#8217;t do that, you&#8217;re can&#8217;t so much as see the root of the problem of racism.</p>
<p>And come on, how can you take yourself seriously with that &#8220;anti-racism and multiculturalism as far as the eye can see&#8221; bit in the context of anti-Arab and anti-Muslim sentiments that have gained so much traction since 911, and the anti-Latino sentiments that you see all over the place in mainstream politics and mainstream press in the context of the so-called &#8220;immigration&#8221; debate?  Or are you just not paying attention to that part?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that you&#8217;re &#8220;deathly afraid.&#8221;  But the fact of the matter is that dealing with the racism that inevitably results from having been socialized in a racist environment is difficult and uncomfortable.  Maybe for you that fear is the first step.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth wrote:

&quot;White people in America are the most reticent of all to acknowledge and begin to deal with their own racism.&quot;

I don&#039;t know what planet you&#039;re living on, but whites have been browbeaten to the point of constantly walking on eggshells, deathly afraid of saying anything that might remotely be construed as &quot;intolerant&quot; or &quot;hateful&quot;.

Whites, to be frank, are the least racist people on the planet. Asians, both eastern and southern, Africans, Latin Americans -- all have strong ingroup/outgroup identities, and no one thinks of telling them to change.

The current cultural landscape of America is anti-racism and multiculturalism as far as the eye can see. &quot;White privilege&quot; is merely the privilege of being blamed for everyone&#039;s problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;White people in America are the most reticent of all to acknowledge and begin to deal with their own racism.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what planet you&#8217;re living on, but whites have been browbeaten to the point of constantly walking on eggshells, deathly afraid of saying anything that might remotely be construed as &#8220;intolerant&#8221; or &#8220;hateful&#8221;.</p>
<p>Whites, to be frank, are the least racist people on the planet. Asians, both eastern and southern, Africans, Latin Americans &#8212; all have strong ingroup/outgroup identities, and no one thinks of telling them to change.</p>
<p>The current cultural landscape of America is anti-racism and multiculturalism as far as the eye can see. &#8220;White privilege&#8221; is merely the privilege of being blamed for everyone&#8217;s problems.</p>
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		<title>By: brian pacheco</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian pacheco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dammnnn...I really enjoyed it and wholeheartedly agree with what you said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dammnnn&#8230;I really enjoyed it and wholeheartedly agree with what you said.</p>
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		<title>By: nev</title>
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		<dc:creator>nev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quotes from Wright sound surprisingly similary to a friday khutba.   This parallel really drives home the point that no matter how far an ethnic minority &#039;makes it&#039; in America, his/her success is bittersweet. How to reconcile this clear recognition that the policies that oppress one&#039;s &#039;people&#039; are based in a racism that is so institutionalized that the perpertrators are blind to it.  Whites see these second loyalties  as a threat instead of as a valuable potential for a wider perspective. 
Hillary is basically telling Obama to deny this natural second loyalty to people who resemble his father. Heck, he already had to take back his third loyalties for his Palestine statements. It&#039;ll be interesting to see Obama try and deny any loyalties to black causes in order to win back the white vote. The real shame is that a Democrat is asking him to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quotes from Wright sound surprisingly similary to a friday khutba.   This parallel really drives home the point that no matter how far an ethnic minority &#8216;makes it&#8217; in America, his/her success is bittersweet. How to reconcile this clear recognition that the policies that oppress one&#8217;s &#8216;people&#8217; are based in a racism that is so institutionalized that the perpertrators are blind to it.  Whites see these second loyalties  as a threat instead of as a valuable potential for a wider perspective.<br />
Hillary is basically telling Obama to deny this natural second loyalty to people who resemble his father. Heck, he already had to take back his third loyalties for his Palestine statements. It&#8217;ll be interesting to see Obama try and deny any loyalties to black causes in order to win back the white vote. The real shame is that a Democrat is asking him to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is good shit, yaman.  you should consider sending this piece &quot;up&quot; stream in the direction of more mass consumption.

anything that can elbow its way into mainstream discourse while addressing race in such a way that focuses on the white experience and use of racial difference (i.e., the benefits of racial privilege and the consistent refusal to acknowledge racial difference meaningfully) can only serve to help white america out of its insane notion of itself and its context.

the best thing i&#039;ve read on race in a while (Kobena Mercer&#039;s *Reading Racial Fetishism* included the following:

â€¦the real challenge in the new cultural politics of difference is to make whiteness visible for the first time, as a culturally constructed ethnic identity historically contingent upon the violent denial and disavowal of â€œdifferenceâ€ (215).

racist society produces racists.  there&#039;s no way around that, not with any amount of progressive politics.  white people in america are the most reticent of all to acknowledge and begin to deal with their own racism.  yet this must be step #1 in doing anti-racist work.  Hillary Rodham should be encouraged to acknowlege her own racism, and find the opportunity to begin to work against its influence that comes out of that acknowledgement.  the rest of white america needs the same experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is good shit, yaman.  you should consider sending this piece &#8220;up&#8221; stream in the direction of more mass consumption.</p>
<p>anything that can elbow its way into mainstream discourse while addressing race in such a way that focuses on the white experience and use of racial difference (i.e., the benefits of racial privilege and the consistent refusal to acknowledge racial difference meaningfully) can only serve to help white america out of its insane notion of itself and its context.</p>
<p>the best thing i&#8217;ve read on race in a while (Kobena Mercer&#8217;s *Reading Racial Fetishism* included the following:</p>
<p>â€¦the real challenge in the new cultural politics of difference is to make whiteness visible for the first time, as a culturally constructed ethnic identity historically contingent upon the violent denial and disavowal of â€œdifferenceâ€ (215).</p>
<p>racist society produces racists.  there&#8217;s no way around that, not with any amount of progressive politics.  white people in america are the most reticent of all to acknowledge and begin to deal with their own racism.  yet this must be step #1 in doing anti-racist work.  Hillary Rodham should be encouraged to acknowlege her own racism, and find the opportunity to begin to work against its influence that comes out of that acknowledgement.  the rest of white america needs the same experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Pessah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Pessah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Barack Obama has the potential to bring â€œraceâ€ back into legitimate political and public discourse in a way that departs from the limited and exclusive employment we have now, as in accusations that a person or statement is â€œracist

for me that was indeed the most important part of the speech - trying to go beyond the usual finger-pointing to discussing why, for example, members of the white working class blamed blacks or their problems, and who benefitted from that, instead of just caricaturing them or pointing a finger at obvious targets (e.g. Don Imus) and calling them racists.

It reminded me of this great analysis of the settlers in Modi&#039;n Ilit, the settlment built on the lands of Bilin in the occupied territories, and of the real estate agents that are the real benfactories of the whole conflict - although they are the least visible and it&#039;s easiest to blame the soldiers or the settlers.
Gadi Algazi is one of the founders of Taayush, one of the most importat movements in the Israeli radical left.
http://www.taayush.org/new/fence/matrix-bilin-en.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Barack Obama has the potential to bring â€œraceâ€ back into legitimate political and public discourse in a way that departs from the limited and exclusive employment we have now, as in accusations that a person or statement is â€œracist</p>
<p>for me that was indeed the most important part of the speech &#8211; trying to go beyond the usual finger-pointing to discussing why, for example, members of the white working class blamed blacks or their problems, and who benefitted from that, instead of just caricaturing them or pointing a finger at obvious targets (e.g. Don Imus) and calling them racists.</p>
<p>It reminded me of this great analysis of the settlers in Modi&#8217;n Ilit, the settlment built on the lands of Bilin in the occupied territories, and of the real estate agents that are the real benfactories of the whole conflict &#8211; although they are the least visible and it&#8217;s easiest to blame the soldiers or the settlers.<br />
Gadi Algazi is one of the founders of Taayush, one of the most importat movements in the Israeli radical left.<br />
<a href="http://www.taayush.org/new/fence/matrix-bilin-en.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.taayush.org/new/fence/matrix-bilin-en.html</a></p>
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