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Vandals sabotage work of SJP activists at Berkeley
By yaman | September 17, 2007
Is it really so surprising that those who support apartheid should be afraid of the Handala, that never-dying symbol of a never-dying Palestine, and of an image of the illegal wall Israel is building in and around the West Bank?
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September 20th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
They can tear paperboard, but they won’t break their spirit. Palestine lives.
September 20th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
They can tear Handala in paperboard, but they won’t break it’s spirit. Palestine lives.
October 14th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
That “vandalism” pales in comparison to the violence implicit in your campus message. And the “vandalism” of your cardboard sign is too small a retribution for SJPs vandalism of the UC Davis Hillel Sukkah.
By supporting Palestinian resistance you support Iranian, and other radical Islamic terrorist groups. And you align your self with genocidal tendecies that dominated the 20th century.
October 14th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
So, Zev, does Cisco pay you to post these comments while you’re at work, or do you just do it for fun on your lunch break?
First time I’ve heard about the UC Davis incident. Sorry to hear it. Whoever is responsible should be caught and punished appropriately. It’s too bad you think of it as “retribution” to attack any other anti-apartheid group in return–though I should point out that the SJP board was vandalized first.
What is the violence in our campus message?
October 16th, 2007 at 1:08 am
I just know that the Sukkah at UC Davis was sprayed with SJP associated messages, “Free Palestine,” and “End The Occupation.” That leads me to believe that SJP had a part in this.
I don’t think Jewish groups would have vandalized your cardboard sign. It was probably some other idiots.
Any yes you are right the board was vandalized first. This makes me worry about the state of this world.
In any case, all of Jerusalem to Israel, and no land for Palestine; they can be reasorbed back into other spacious Arab nations. That will make up for the land lost by the ~ 800,000 Jewish people that were expelled from Arab countries.
I look forward to Islamo-Facist Awareness Week.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:13 am
I never suggested that any group on campus is responsible for destroying our signboard. It was probably some idiot, like the person who attacked the UC Davis Sukkah, who hates our group, like the person who attacked the UC Davis Sukkah, probably for reasons of ignorance or misconceptions about our group, like the person who attacked the UC Davis Sukkah.
Anyway, your final remarks are kind of funny. I know we were talking about the signboards, but I didn’t realize that there was a logical connection between the signboards and your calls for continued occupation of Jerusalem & forced dislocation of all Arabs in Israel. This is called ethnic cleansing, and, sadly, is reminiscent of expulsion of Arabs, Muslims, and Jews from Spain during the Inquisition. Are you calling for an Inquisition in Palestine?
As for Islamofascist Awareness Week: anything that gets your rocks off, I guess.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:32 am
Oct 14th was a Sunday, and I don’t work on Sundays. And that was late afternoon coffee break in a cafe. haha!
No but I am bringing to light that the Jewish people were removed from Arab lands, and that Jerusalem is rightfully ours. No, I’m not calling for an inquisition of Palestine. And the inquisition was a program implemented by Catholics that involved forced conversions, and other attrocities. I see you like to bend the truth with passionate statements for extra, effect as I do.
The Israelis should have control of all territories that they won in the 1967 war. They should not negotiate with Hamas or Fatah - land for peace. If the Arabs want to live with Israelis in peace then let them stay and we can bring down the walls, and integrate them into the economy. But if the Arabs want to continue to attack us then the Israelis must continue to hold a harsh line of self defense.
And too I am sad that now the Jewish people are enemies of the Muslim people and now the friends of the Christians. It brings to light that a time in the future will come when the Jews are enemies of both the Muslims and Christians; once the Christians are through using us as a pawn for their aspirations in Israel.
October 16th, 2007 at 1:38 am
Is the Israel you are suggesting going to give full citizenship to all the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza? How about refugees?
I don’t really believe in peoples, so your last comment about the Jewish people being enemies of the Muslim people and future enemies of the Christian people is taking on mythic proportions. I don’t think these are appropriate or useful groupings, especially since it takes about 10 seconds to disprove them.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
If your evidence to disprove the evidence of Jewish people is based on the Khazar theory by Koestler - that questions the Semetic roots of Ashekenazi Jews because of a alleged mass conversion of that Kingdom - then I disagree.
Let me think about your first statement and get back to you.
I understand that Muslims and Christians are composed of people from vastly different geographic regions and ethinic backgrounds.
However I do know that the Jewish people were given the Torah at Mt. Sinai by G-D, and all of my core beliefs are drawn from a complex set of laws derived from both Written and Oral Torah law. And you can guess where that leads me on my convictions about Israel.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:30 am
No, my problem with “peoples” does not have to do with lines of descent. It has to do with the idea that you are defining the “people,” and attaching that definition of the “people” to all of the individuals that compose your “people,” rather than the other way around. So you are able to make an outlandish claim like “the Jewish people” are at war with “the Muslim people,” as if what is happening today is a war of all Jews against all Muslims. The truth is that this is by far not the case, and even if you consider this to be a “general” truth, a “general” truth is useless for purposes of analysis if there are any exceptions. In the first place what is happening in Israel and Palestine is not a war between Jews and Muslims, necessarily, as there are many non-Muslim Palestinians suffering under Israeli occupation, just as there are many Israelis, Jewish and not, who oppose the occupation, including at least 629 soldiers who refuse to serve. If there is room for any Jewish opposition to the occupation, or any Muslim support for it, then there is no conflict between “the Jewish people” and “the Muslim people.”
It might be convenient to view current events in light of a historical narrative, like the one you’ve suggested from the Torah. Others do it with the Qur’an. But if that is your strategy, then you are not analyzing the conflict, but rather, you are analyzing history. It is important to base our analysis of things on the things themselves.
October 17th, 2007 at 12:32 am
I also want to note that your premise that “the Jewish people” are at war with other peoples is one that is common to anti-Semitic propaganda and literature both historically and in contemporary times. In fact it is a common phrasing that I have heard by some Muslims who choose to frame it in religious terms. If you are not a fan of this situation, then you should be very careful when your analysis of it shares assumptions in common precisely with the people you believe you are opposed to.
October 18th, 2007 at 6:01 pm
I never said that the Jewish people are at war with other people. I said that there have been times in history when more Christians where attacking Jews based on their Jewish heritage (or Jewish religious beliefs) in their nations or in other neighbooring nations. During that time Jews were treated better in Muslim nations. Now Jews are treated better in America, which is a Christian nation. And in general the dominant evangelical Christian trend is growing in favor of the Jews. Jews are not safe or treated well in most Muslim nations.
I believe there will be a time in the near future that both Christian dominated nations (Russia, America) and Muslim dominated nations will attack people of Jewish heritage and beliefs. This is a cycle that has repeated itself in many empires - Egyptian, Babylonian, Hellenistic, Roman, Byzantium, France, Spain, Germany, England, Russia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Ottoman. Just a quick butchered list of empires and nation states that helped in mass murder of the Jews, out of historical order.
And there is a Jewish people and no I was not in any way making allusions similar to the Protocols or other anti-Semetic writings.
Oh have you ever thought that the sign was accidently destroyed by some of those wild skateboarders around Berkeley, Sproul plaza? A skate board might cause damage that looks like a kick.
I would be very angry if Hillel or College Republicans stooped to such a low level.
Oh and by the way I work for Rambus, not Cisco.